Tulpa.info - guide-discussion

Question: what if we included the date the year the guide was published?

@Gelato Sweet |

(@Felight) - jump I think this may be a good idea to also give context for any guides that may have outdated info or such. Maybe a "last edit" day rather than creation date

sometimes mods edit the post to give a backup link

That's fair

Gelato Sweet | 💡

Question: what if we included the date the year the guide was published?

I think you can filter guides by date on the forums

6:47 PM

Yup

So the guide section is finally getting that big overhaul? Nice!

Oh yeah, before I forget Gelato- make sure you provide a back-up to your guide. If you don't, I will upload a pdf myself

Astra 🕯

So the guide section is finally getting that big overhaul? Nice!

A couple years or three in the making, yeah

I honestly didn't think about Tips and Tricks guides vs Guides guides being an issue. I just assumed it could chalk up to mod discretion, and since I'm a Community Manger with the power to move threads around, after this list gets organized I can update the original list

@A long kiss goodnight - jump I'd think the main reason that the seperation of "guide guides" and "tips and tricks guides" could cause some trouble would be in cases where the guide might've been moved due to some level of opinion on the piece that the at-the-time GAT may have disliked, and put into t&t because of it. T&T should be for short bites of information, at least in my opinion

I'm pretty close to almost done with the new system anyway, I just need to clean up the guide list and add the last little things here and there

Oh yeah, before I forget Gelato- make sure you provide a back-up to your guide. If you don't, I will upload a pdf myself

@A long kiss goodnight - jump We'll do it after it's had some more time to get feedback :]

Well, it will become the new policy, especially with the new system. All new guide content that's not directly on the forums itself must have a back-up. Mostly because I don't want anyone's Google Doc guides to poof and disappear

6:52 PM

Because that almost happened to one of Link Zelda's guides

6:52 PM

With a stroke of luck I was able to access it on mobile and strip the guide

I had a look at the guide document and was rather surprised to find several guides I would like to read in the near future

We need more switching tips and tricks y'all

6:57 PM

I will do the Imposition section next

We have plans of producing our own guides and tips in the near future but would need to catch up on all that's already in existence first

With the new system, I wouldn't really care if it's a repeat as long as it's not plagiarized! (edited)

7:01 PM

And by that I mean like, blatantly plagiarized (edited)

7:02 PM

Like... don't do this: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/17709-the-ultimate-tulpa-guide/

7:05 PM

I didn't think I would find a guide more upsetting than Black Wizard's or Zoro's and I was wrong. This one, this one is more upsetting.

7:05 PM

Like, just copying and pasting most if not all of the guide from lots of other guides. Word for word

7:06 PM

This kid probably did more research than a frickin beginner just to plagiarize this guide, and that's part of what really upsets me

Do I even want to know what was on Black Wizard's and Zoro's?

Black Wizards had a really not okay thing on slavery and Zoro plagiarized the Felight's general creation guide but at least put some effort into adding in his own thoughts

7:07 PM

Zoro at least didn't have the audacity to post it on the forums, it was just here on Discord (edited)

huh

I'm sorry, Zoru not Zoro https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/760971093920972840

It's weird to go back to our old wonderland guide and remember that people were God dang tense over terminology. There was half a war started just over the use of "switching" in whatever context, and I guess the GAT really heavily wanted Plush to use terminology only based off of tulpa.info's definitions? Is the community still wild about things like that?

That hasn't changed, people still get up and personal about definitions for things. Since the GAT no longer exists I wouldn't worry about it, and in the new system I just leave it to moderator opinion or my own if something is "switching" or not.

7:14 PM

And even then I don't expect the staff or myself to have too many long winded debates on what "switching" is

7:14 PM

My opinion is "eh, it's probably switching, close enough"

I just never understood why the tulpa.info community is so hard set on definitions that sometimes conflicts with the wider tulpa and plurality communities, especially with how much tulpa.info is touted as a scientific community. Personal opinion

it looks like the main spreadsheet is done

I think it boils down to tulpamancy is a personal practice, people all have different opinions, and when people disagree it's seen as a personal attack for no reason -_- I think definitions have more to do with bs than they really have to do with the concepts, which is sad.

can I add the years to it tho? still think that would be helpful

I agree, it looks like the spreadsheet is done. I copied it and I am going to check to see if the same number of guides are there

That could be it

Gelato Sweet | 💡

can I add the years to it tho? still think that would be helpful

You can make your own version if you want and I can add it to the other category as a compilation, but otherwise no, I don't think it's necessary

7:19 PM

Also I don't feel like doing that

we've had a lot of experiences with people being really smug going "oh but you ARE switching" when we had very clear reasons why we didn't consider what we were doing switching :vvv it's not like using the word switching would suddenly solve all our problems now we just figure people can use the terms however they want as long as they aren't giving anyone else a hard time about it

I mean, with our old guide, switching was mainly used as meaning "Host detatches entirely, tulpa attaches", and somehow that caused a ruckus with even an at the time user trying to correct us with a more vague version of switching that doesn't include the host actually detaching from the body, which was sorta the point of it being brought up in the guide at all. And that's also before mentioning the use of host not just meaning the original personality

7:27 PM

Idk. It's just that whole back and forth burnt Plush out from that guide and is why she never made further edits or a full rewrite

no guide's definition is going to satisfy everyone

Right now I'm checking the guide lists. I noticed something inconsistent in the Misc section, so I'm double checking that

7:37 PM

I know I deleted the one guide that was listed twice, but there seems to be an extra guide missing...

7:38 PM

Oops, I left off this one-

7:38 PM

Want a tulpa who is really smart from the start? Follow my method [Tips and Tricks]

7:38 PM

https://community.tulpa.info/topic/2783-want-a-tulpa-who-is-really-smart-from-the-start-follow-my-method/

7:39 PM

The downside to having your guide start with a W

7:39 PM

Being almost forgotten on the guide list

7:41 PM

And I left off the two articles

Reading that one, it looks like GAT heavily disapproved of it, so it's kinda surprising it's in there at all

All of the submissions are getting mixed in with the guides for the new system. Once the new system is implemented, people can report guides they have a problem with

Ah ok

uh.... I don't know which two articles I left out ^^'

7:48 PM

One second please!

7:49 PM

OHHHH

7:49 PM

I didn't forget any of the guides, I forgot that losing the Approved and Submissions labels would free up extra space

7:49 PM

phew!

7:50 PM

All of the articles are there, I promise!

7:51 PM

Ta da! New guide list done!

7:51 PM

Now to do the fun part- reformat everything like how it is on the forums! Sarcastic wooooooooing

is the report system like, staff looks at the guide and then moves it out? is it vote-based or something?

It's basically a GAT review system only three staff members write to disapprove instead of to approve. If a staff member doesn't disapprove it, nothing happens to the guide. A guide needs 70% or more disapproval with feedback to be moved to Drafts

7:55 PM

And no, I'm not expecting high effort GAT reviews from the staff.

7:56 PM

Mostly they're only looking for "does this problem exist" and if so is it serious enough to warrant moving to Drafts over

7:58 PM

For instance, let's say this guide seems to have harmful advice because holding your breath for too long isn't a good idea. If it gets 70% disapproval or more, then the feedback may be "take out the part on holding your breath to get moved back to guides" This is different from straight up rule breaking however. If there is NSFW content like porn or self-harm stuff, then that can just be deleted for breaking the forum rules.

7:59 PM

I have a page on the review guidelines, I don't remember if I published it or if I still need to clean it up. I do know it has its own dedicated flowchart

7:59 PM

Yes. I made flowcharts

8:00 PM

Dang it it's 3 pm and I need to pick up meds and pump my bike tires. I'll be back later (I'm sorry for the cliff hanger) (edited)

I am back! I am working on descriptions for the Reporting system and the Overall UpVote/Draft system

New updates! https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16757-community-feedback-survey/?do=findComment&comment=388452 (edited)

3:33 AM

I'm too tired to write the big essay for the whole system tonight. I may be able to get to that tomorrow. Thank you so much for helping out on the guide list guys!!

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I love the way the new system is looking. One suggestion I have is to rename the Non English guides section to something like International or Foreign/Foreign language guides just to be a little less English centric. It's just a nitpick on my end though.

International wouldn't make sense, since people all over the world write guides in English, and there are many different English speaking countries Maybe "Other Language Guides" if it matters?

"Non English" being English centric makes sense because the forums are inherently English centric. It's required to speak English on the forums simply because the staff only know how to speak English However, I don't really care so much what that's called. It would only affect that one description on the guide list and if you guys feel strongly enough about it it can be changed (edited)

It doesn't matter to me

Like I said it was a nitpick at best

8:33 PM

I don't feel too too strongly on it

Also something I just realized- do you guys think we should add a lucid dreaming section?

Yes actually, Lucid dreaming has a fairly large intersection with tulpamancy and should have it's own section. I'd think of it like Imposition, you don't need tulpamancy to do Imposition but it's considered a tulpamancy skill because of it's connection to tulpas for us, same with tulpas in dreams.

lucid dreaming has the same overlap with tulpamancy that philosophy does, or psychology, or other stuff, so it doesn't need it's own thing, unless you are mostly interested in tulpamancy for lucid dreaming reasons or you're big in both communities

Maybe if it's for guides specifically relating to lucid dreaming with tulpas/tulpamancy related in some way?

lucid dreaming has the same overlap with tulpamancy that philosophy does, or psychology, or other stuff, so it doesn't need it's own thing, unless you are mostly interested in tulpamancy for lucid dreaming reasons or you're big in both communities

@sh - jump Tulpamancy is inherently psychological and philosophical so I would say that is not a very good reason not to have a section on lucid dreaming. I think my imposition argument holds water here too since there's another community that does all the imposition without tulpas who call it prophantasia and I don't think anyone would argue imposition shouldn't have a section because of that.

Yuka

Maybe if it's for guides specifically relating to lucid dreaming with tulpas/tulpamancy related in some way?

The idea is it would be a lucid dreaming guide related to tulpamancy, although that does raise a good question if people would confuse it for just being a place to make lucid dreaming guides.

10:12 PM

Then again, should we call lucid dreaming just another thing you can do in tulpamancy? If it was its own stand alone section, come to think of it forcing it to only include tulpamancy doesn't make tons of sense

I think lucid dreaming is fine under "misc"

I wouldn't necessarily call lucid dreaming guides without tulpamancy included something to exclude since they would still be useful for people wanting to add lucid dreaming to their tulpamancy practices anyways

lucid dreaming is just imagination except you're asleep so it's harder to think and enjoy it

That just... isn't true.

your brain is less 'active' when asleep

Lucid Dreaming is a well documented altered state of consciousness different from normal imagination with it's own rules and experiences.

10:16 PM

Parts of the brain activate in a unique way when dreaming compared to any other time

Yeah, there's a reason your ability to move around gets cut off while dreaming - it's way more vivid than imagination.

10:18 PM

I have no real strong opinion on a lucid dreaming section. I wouldn't be surprised to see it on a tulpamancy website since they're both very "exploring the mind".

Posted a forum mirror: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16757-community-feedback-survey/?do=findComment&comment=388491

Ironically there was a tulpamancy section on a lucid dreaming forum, basically the inverse of this situation

lucid dreaming is like imagination except your brain is half active basically, it's also unpredictable unrelated but: i know what lucid dreaming is, i've experienced it much more than most people